Tornados Are Local — So Are Down Real Estate Markets — Profit From It

Posted @ 12:16 am - Filed under Purposeful Planning, Financing, San Diego Property Owners, Real Estate Markets, Builders, Market Correction, Economy, Texas

I was thinkin’ today about the national economy, and how the third reel of this sequel to the “We’re All Gonna Die” franchise is indeed followin’ the script. The tension finally reached a crescendo, and all the major characters suddenly showed up as if instructed by an invisible director. Friends and foes alike are now on TV singin’ from the same songbook and same song, if not always the same verse. The posturing by politicians of both sides is the Achilles Heel of this movie, as even first time movie goers, new to this franchise, can sense the false notes being sounded by many of the actors.

Behind the scenes you can imagine the panic as so many of them shed their brave fronts while lookin’ to the calm, experienced leaders with the real power to take charge. The real power is now tellin’ the faux power how it’s all gonna shake out. It’s been like this since one man had power over another. But I digress.

Capitol Building

No matter where twisters show up, weak or strong, they’re local in nature. There are no exceptions, nor have there ever been. Real estate behaves similarly. Grand Rapids, Michigan can be depressed, while Mesquite, Texas is thriving. This dichotomy can exist in times both boom and bust. It’s quite a paradox at times, to say the least.

See? Local in nature. If yer wondering why you haven’t heard about some of the regions currently kickin’ major booty lately (that’s a technical real estate term), it’s ‘cuz the LameStream media doesn’t think it’s worthy news. Go figure.

Here’s another poser for ya. Why, in certain areas, is builder confidence up nearly 20% lately? Why are some lenders workin’ themselves silly to bring new investor loans to certain select markets? Why indeed. We all know why. They smell profit. When it comes to builders building and lenders lending, they share a very positive attribute with the great white shark — they smell profits miles away before anyone else does.

Now before ya go off about the current lender/builder mess, let me explain. I’m talkin’ ’bout the astute lenders who still have their pants on, and not around their ankles. The builders? I know the media hasn’t told ya, but I’m tellin’ ya now. There are a few out there whose product has never stopped sellin’ from the first day this correction began, and continue to do so now. There are places where some builders, starin’ each other down, are literally about to get into legal fist fights over large pieces of land. In one case, I know the principals.

Two kids

In a conversation Wednesday afternoon, I learned a lender, (must remain anonymous for the moment), who is about to allow my clients to buy as many real estate investment properties as they wish. Let that sink in for a minute. How’s that possible? Are they nuts? Why would they even consider implementing that policy, and on their own to boot?

As usual, the answer to this question isn’t complicated. They smell profit. They know what’s happening in their neck of the woods, and it’s been goin’ on for quite awhile now. They’re tired of being restricted by the secondary market and it’s choking underwriting regulations.

It’s their money, and they’ll lend it where they see fit. And there it is. They’re not gonna sell loans made to our clients. They’re keepin’ ‘em. It’s not like the lenders who loan a buck, sell the loan, then loan the same buck again, over and over. Nope, these guys are doin’ it the Old School way. My kinda guys.

Think they’re the Lone Ranger? Not even. Find the regions where quality product exists along with the empirically provable demand for it, and you’ll find a lender knockin’ on yer door with a wheelbarrow full of cash. These lenders realize they’re in the eye of the perfect local storm, and they’re not gonna be caught five years from now lamenting their lost opportunity.

BawldGuy Axiom: (As I write this, I’m almost laughin’ out loud.) Rain falls down. The sun sets in the west. And….wait for it…..here it comes…..Lenders lend.

The builders I mentioned? They’re just a couple weeks or so from breakin’ ground — again. Meanwhile, back at BawldGuyRanch, the LameStream media is sellin’ ad time while they peddle fear, panic, and meltdown. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Gomer Pyle

By the way, the part of the highly revered billionaire investor who writes a three comma check for a stake in an ‘endangered’ industry’s company is being played this time around by Warren Buffet, who’s obviously playin’ himself. Sure, he negotiated what understatement would describe as a sweetheart deal with fabulous terms. Still, ya think he’d put $5 Billion into Goldman Sachs if he thought it was in danger? Really? Mr. Buffett is a lotta things. Here are two things he definitely isn’t: stoopid, or a gambler.

But again, I digress, though it was fun.

As a real estate investor yourself, or if you’re thinkin’ of investing for the first time, you are now living in what the Chinese have called ‘interesting times’. Those who recognize real opportunity when they see it, are investing in the few regions around the country that have proven already they’re ahead of the curve.

Is the current economic crisis like a tornado? In terms of real estate and lending it sure is. Would I tell ya to invest in real estate located in hard hit regions like San Diego? Perish the thought. But this economic tornado hasn’t and won’t touch down over the entire country. I’ve seen this movie three times before, and all three had windows of opportunity both chronologically and geographically.

This one isn’t any different.

That’s my way of sayin’ the time is now and I know where to invest in real estate. The supply is not infinite by any definition. Lenders want qualified buyers in the Old School tradition. But the gettin’ is good, and now’s the time. When lenders are knockin’ on your door with cash, you might wanna take the hint — know what I mean, Verne?

In order to create your personal perfect storm, here’s what ya do. Begin a conversation with me, and we’ll Purposefully Plan your retirement within an inch of its life. :) I’m lookin’ forward to talkin’ with ya. Have a good one.

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27 comments to “Tornados Are Local — So Are Down Real Estate Markets — Profit From It”

David Shafer on September 25th, 2008 at 8:20 am said:

  • You hit this one out of the park! Home Run!
    Now, while Warren and Company are busy buying (three major purchases that we know of; $11B invested) and your buddies are trying to buy land to build on, most folks are pulling into their shell. Media or not you gotta get out of that shell and recognize there are always opportunities!

Joshua on September 25th, 2008 at 10:14 am said:

  • You know, when I sit back and think about all this hoopla about the market, the real estate, the financing, and what have you it makes me laugh a bit.

    Really, if we didn’t have telephones, televisions, or the Internet (other than that we’d all probably be bored) would we really care what others were doing? Really, how would I know some dumb bank in New York failed because it was ran improperly? How would I know that some joker in San Diego’s house is worth way more than it should be?

    All I’m saying is that we should all do what those 18-wheeler folks do and thats to “keep on truckin’ on”. I’m not sure if I made a point there or not but I was trying to. ;)

Robert Coté on September 25th, 2008 at 10:15 am said:

  • …there are always opportunities!

    So true. That some of us think opportunities will get better is what makes markets.

Michael Cook on September 25th, 2008 at 10:58 am said:

  • Great teaser Jeff. Obviously we would all love to know where these markets are.

    Two additional questions: What about the economy (job losses, corporate contractions, etc.)? Why not wait at least a year, maybe two? I dont say this to try to time the bottom, but I would like to know why now is better than waiting? Do you see significant improve in the near term (6-12 months) in these markets?

    This is a tough call because a mistep could lead to some pretty heavy losses.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 11:11 am said:

  • Michael — I’ll go all classic on ya, and answer your question by posing one of my own.

    Why didn’t Buffett wait?

Robert Coté on September 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am said:

  • ..but I would like to know why now is better than waiting…

    Monsieur Shiny Dome has already been clear on this. Getting in before the bottom buys you younger assets that throw off cash and accrue tax benefits while waiting for the next up-cycle. Which of those are worth foregoing in exchange for “lowest price?”

    I guess if you plan on living forever putting off investment strategies for several years may make sense. Until then I’ll look at the meal set in front of me rather than go hungry based upon what may be on the menu tomorrow.

Tom Hall on September 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am said:

  • Jeff - great post - and while we don’t see eye to eye re: politics, I am completely on board regarding your thoughts regarding lenders lending to “old school” buyers.

    One of my investor clients can still get money for commercial property at less than 6% - he bought a $2.5M building for $35K down. Yep - $35K. Why? ‘Cuz it’s their client and they’re servicing the note.

    I think the key is “old school” - kinda like fundamentals. Funny - when you stick to the fundamentals, things seem to work out just fine.

Robert Coté on September 25th, 2008 at 11:16 am said:

  • Since our genial host has posted while I was composing…
    IMO Buffet also got in too early. Seeing as I just finished pimping early v. later I don’t think I’m qualified to oppose.

David Shafer on September 25th, 2008 at 11:39 am said:

  • Robert, love your meal analogy. But gotta ask, what makes you think you can time this thing, because that is what you are trying to do? Buffett holds for the long run and looks for value. Isn’t that what a real estate investor should look to do. Hold long term and look for value?

    Buffett admits his mistakes, but it doesn’t stop him from adhering to his plan. And making a few mistakes every now and again doesn’t stop him from giving large returns over long periods of time!

Robert Coté on September 25th, 2008 at 11:56 am said:

  • Robert, love your meal analogy. But gotta ask, what makes you think you can time this thing, because that is what you are trying to do?

    You can’t time anything like a bottom. Anyone who says otherwise deserves to be ignored. You can however trend things. Our host has gone to great effort to prove (big word) that the trends in SoCal are not favorable and the trends in places some used to laugh at as being “flyover” are good.

    I happen to think that the US is over housed and over retailed such that it will take a few years to work off the excesses. That’s a macro view. Today’s topic is “tornadoes are local.” Yeah, the mild environment places suffer with the rest of us over climate changes but their own weather is probably good enough to mask those patterns.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 12:08 pm said:

  • Hey Michael — This wasn’t intended to be a teaser. I love to have named names here, but gave my word I wouldn’t.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm said:

  • David — Thanks, much appreciated.

    The media? They’re like the plow horse with blinders. They see their own agendas, or their profits, or both in most cases. Facts seem to be like flies to be batted away by their tails.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 12:14 pm said:

  • Robert — As usual, your comments carry with them much experience and well reasoned foundations. It doesn’t hurt that you consistently crack me up. :)

    Also as usual, we seem to disagree not in real substance, but in degree. Works for me. As you pointed out, that’s what makes markets.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pm said:

  • Tom — Though we find ourselves on opposite sides of the political spectrum, we’ve always fought the good fight based upon mutual respect.

    If we learn anything from all this, please let it be prudently based lending. Amen.

    The example you use here is classic. The local bank knows the character of their client, and the local market. Allowing an LTV of over 98.5% is no doubt safer and more prudent than many of the 10-20% down sub-prime crappola in trouble today.

    It’s about facts, expertise, experience, and the ability to objectively analyze.

    Don’t be a stranger, Tom.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm said:

  • Josh — We get your point. :) Your future is one very bright star.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 12:24 pm said:

  • Both David and Robert make solid points.

    Robert realizes timing the market is stoopid beyond belief. David, using Buffett as a mentor of sorts, says nobody’s perfect, but the long term, big picture approach, using Old School principles works every time it’s tried.

    Thanks to both of you.

Ever See Or Hear Of A Tornado Touching Down On An Entire Continent? | BloodhoundBlog: National real estate marketing and technology blog | Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments on September 25th, 2008 at 12:30 pm said:

  • […] I invite you to read my thoughts on this subject. Read the comments, as there are some real nuggets there, from some very smart folks. Turns out we’re all not gonna die after all. The tornado didn’t touch down everywhere. […]

David Shafer on September 25th, 2008 at 12:31 pm said:

  • Robert, what metrics do you use to measure “over housed and over retailed?”
    Not that I disagree with you, just wonderin how you are measuring that? Certainly here in my part of Florida that has been the case for at least 20 years!

Robert Coté on September 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm said:

  • Over retailed is easy. Even accounting for societal differences the US has anywhere from 4x to 11x as many retail square feet per person as any other western style developed country. I’m not saying the US is either Italy or Ireland but likewise there’s no rational business model that supports 3 Linen-n-Things within a dozen miles of my suburban location. Oh… wait. 2 are closing.

    Over housed is a complex calculation. For but one factor if only one household out of ten were to add another person that’s 4 million excess dwelling units. Too much? Not really, that’s the household density we had 10-13 years ago. Seen the percentage of homes for sale currently vacant? It just doesn’t take too much economic disconnect or demographic shift to translate into some large national numbers. Again, I’m talking climate not weather.

    My mom lives in Florida. She not only owns her own “coach” (old people word for manufactured housing) but the one next door so visitors don’t cramp her style. She’s okay but she sees more of her neighbors picking either their Florida or New England homes but no longer both. More housing supply with no visible demand.

Sean Carr on September 25th, 2008 at 7:12 pm said:

  • I think you’ve hit on something Jeff. Credit has not frozen, lenders are lending albeit with reasonable, not outrageous, standards. A buddy mused today about lining up in the day to get a subsidized first time loan rate of 13%. For a market frozen because of credit risk, the rates are curiously attractive. I’m not having any trouble with business credit, here or abroad. Morgan Brown’s site had a similar post. Wall Street unarguably has a leveraged, undercapitalized, derivative and credit swap default problem, you and I don’t, at least not directly. I’m sure we’d get plenty dirty from the blast if we let these institutions blow apart but I’ve not seen a convincing argument that the dirt won’t wash off or I’d miss those lost in the blast one bit.

    I’m suddenly feeling like a 700 Billion dollar patsy. Often times things are exactly as they seem.

BawldGuy on September 25th, 2008 at 8:44 pm said:

  • Sean — Couldn’t put it any better.

    I think if the GOP manages to act like a hard money lender, we’ll end up makin’ money on all this. The taxpayer won’t see any of the profit of course, but it could very well happen.

Michael Cook on September 26th, 2008 at 12:59 pm said:

  • All,

    My concern is less about timing the bottom and more about the future fundamentals of real estate. Last time I check Buffett was not buying income properties, but I could certainly be wrong.

    Regardless of area, I am concerned that macro-fundamentals will leave real estate depreciating or stagnant for the next year or more. Job loss has be tremendous in recent month and I fear the perception of a false bottom.

    Think about it this way. If I buy now and prices go down 5%, all of that is an equity loss. Additionally, if they stay down for a year or two, now I am worse off then if I had done nothing, even with the tax shelter. I am certainly one to take calculated risk, I just dont see any one giving me fundamentals. All I am hearing here is stories about people choosing to get in the market, not why they are choosing to get in..

BawldGuy on September 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm said:

  • Michael — Don’t have a lotta time, but fundamentally, they’re going into real estate because they’re tired of losin’ their asses in the stock market.

David Shafer on September 26th, 2008 at 1:58 pm said:

  • Michael, any real estate investor that doesn’t look at jobs in the area they are thinking about investing in is a fool. Population shift is also critical. No doubt that since the jobs situation is deteriorating is some areas you wouldn’t want to invest right now. However, jobs losses aren’t universal as some places do better than others. Just part of the calculation.

    Talk to balwd guy about jobs and migration because I know he does this analysis before suggesting investing!

Sean Carr on September 27th, 2008 at 3:42 pm said:

  • There’s the rub Mike,

    Invest in a leveraged illiquid asset class currently experiencing strong volatility due to a variety of factors having to do directly and indirectly with the underlying asset or un-leveraged liquid alternatives. The ones I’ve been partial to are non USD, dividend paying securities. Tax free Muni’s are another of many options. Indeed the stock market stinks but luckily we’re not in a two party system of just US stocks and RE.

    I’m actively looking at RE now but what you’ve stated is exactly the sticking point. If I end up just 1% down on an RE investment for 3 consecutive years then I’m better off doing nothing and much better off with a host of other available options (No PUT option pun intended). The demographic I’m moist concerned with is household income growth and I’m not convinced that will not flatten for a few years. Just don’t see any reason to hustle.

David Shafer on September 28th, 2008 at 7:10 am said:

  • Great conversation. Sean, if household income doesn’t grow, then doesn’t it force folks to rent rather than buy? And doesn’t this put upward pressure on rents?

    Finally, as our society divides itself into two classes instead of three (see earlier posts for this discussion) won’t there be a large contingent of folks unable to afford to buy (and now unable to get loans) that will have to rent and will want to rent decent places to raise their kids!

Sean Carr on September 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm said:

  • Yup, this has been an excepllent thread with alot of good viepionts to consider.

    WIth reespect to your point,that should normally be the case which is a positive benefit for future rents. I have observed excess inventory going onto the market as rentals which may mitigate the former to some extent depending on the area. It also seems some REIT’s are moving in that direction with the construction of new apartment complexes. I’m also curious to see how the GSE’s will operate after the bailout, liquidate inventory or move it off its books in an orderly fashion. I’m poorly informed of RTC history and need to do some research to see if there’s a precedent to watch for. If anyone remembers how those events unfolded I’d appreciate a history lesson. In any case I’m trying to do the math now with a 20% rent depreciation from today’s numbers in the case it comes to that. I’m thinking of holding off on anything until January and see if the market finds any stability from the latest FED actions.

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