Real Estate Investors — If Duplexes Are More Than $400K In Your Area? Get Outa Dodge Now

Posted @ 11:12 pm - Filed under 1031 Exchanges, Real Estate Investing, Purposeful Planning, San Diego Property Owners, Real Estate Markets, Market Correction

As a San Diegan for over 40 years now, I’ve seen all the markets since LBJ was in office. My first listing that sold was a 3Bed/2Ba for $18,500, with FHA financing. In those days, FHA loans took 60 days to close — VA took 90. Really. But I digress. san diegoWhile I’m in mid-digression, here’s a picture of San Diego so you can understand our biggest problem. Problem? Sure — Where the heck do ya go on vacation, when you already live in Paradise? :)

I use San Diego only as an example. It’s truly a unique area in so many ways, but when it comes to it’s real estate history — it’s not alone by any stretch. Most of California for that matter is in the same boat. But then, so is every other destination in the country with prices at or near what we now have in San Diego.

Here’s what I mean.

There are literally hundreds of duplexes within a 30 mile radius of my office that have a market value, give or take, within shouting distance of half a million bucks. And those are post-correction values. If you’re reading this and wondering what kind of staggering rents these places must command, you’ll be disappointed.

I can show you 2-unit properties from dawn ’till dusk in the price range of $475-600,000. Throw out the low and the high, you’ll find rents per side for 2Bed/1Ba units of $950-1,450 monthly. We don’t need to do those numbers, do we? Of course not, because these numbers are silly when looked at from any angle.

Oh, what the heck, let’s do one, so you’ll have a story to tell your buddies at work. :)

If you found one (and I’m thinking of a particular duplex here, though not for sale) with a value of $525,000 and rents of $1,250 a side, what down payment might be required? Here’s where it really gets silly.

Let’s assume you like interest only loans, fixed for seven years. The interest rate will be 7%.

The silly part is almost here. silly scallions

With gross scheduled income of $30,000 a year, and operating expenses of say, $10,500, your net operating income would be $19,500. If you put 40% down, your cash flow would be…a tad over..I’m sorry, (Silly Part Here) let’s start over. Your negative cash flow would be over $200 a month — with 40% down.

Counting your closing costs, the cash required to close this once in a lifetime opportunity would be roughly $225,000 or so.

Is that silly, or is it silly? The numbers are more or less equivalent in many areas around the country. The northwest, the rest of California, some parts of New York, are just a few examples. There are more.

If a duplex is going for over $400,000 in your area, don’t buy. If they’re your units? Get outa Dodge, and trade (probably tax deferred) your equity to a growth region with prices and rents that make sense to regular folk. Here’s why.

There are, of course, exceptions to every rule, but unless you’re gonna live in them, having innocent investment capital tied up in them makes no sense whatsoever. Let’s say you own a duplex (or any small rental property) with numbers similar to our example — or at least with similar results. It’s my opinion we’re at or very near the bottom of this market correction. (Remember, you read it here first.) Within the next 6-18 months it’s probably just as likely as not, your property will start to increase in value again. Don’t get hung up on the timing here, because it doesn’t matter when they start going up again — just that you agree they will, at some point.

You surely must, because if your units never rise in value again, this discussion is moot, right? Right.

I challenge you to be nakedly honest with yourself. If you’re one of those, money in the trash canwho like me, live in a high priced region, would you buy your own units at today’s value? We both know the answer to that, don’t we? As a matter of fact, why don’t you really be honest, at least with yourself. Admit you think anyone who’d put 40% down on your property for the privilege of losing more than two grand a year probably wasn’t ever on M.I.T.’s recruiting short list. Yet, by keeping your equity in high priced regions that make no sense, you’re throwing that equity in the trash. Harsh, but true nonetheless.

Once we fight our way through this correction, and prices once again begin their upward climb, the number of investors interested in pouring more than a couple hundred grand down the drain, so they can lose money, will shrink. Ya think? And remember, we’re talking about one itty bitty duplex here, not some impressive multi-story apartment building. A duplex.

What should you do?

You should take whatever net equity you have, and put it on a bus headed outa town. There are places where you can find homes, and 2-4 unit properties at prices much more attractive. Most of my San Diego clients who’ve already escaped to a lower priced growth area, have found out what it’s like to have nice investment problems. For example, imagine getting a refund on a big Nordstrom purchase then heading over to the Dollar Store to spend it all. It can be exhausting. :)

I remember one particular client who traded (via IRC Sec. 1031) one San Diego area duplex for six rental homes in another state. He decided that first experience was pretty cool,100,000 so he did it again, taking another duplex and trading into yet another state. This time he bought a couple rental homes, a duplex, and a huge fourplex. He’s now enjoying six figures of annual write-off, which of course he can’t use. (pesky IRS regs) He bought all these properties at prices far below his expectations. In the end, he wound up with four times the property he’d owned in San Diego, with better capital growth potential, (duh) more future flexibility, and he doesn’t have to manage ‘em.

Furthermore, because of all his newly acquired tax shelter, (depreciation) he’ll be able to extract tax free cash when, in the future, he exchanges for more property. He knows how cool that feels, because he’s already done it once, and bought a much needed new truck with his tax free profits.

if you snooze you lose

Lesson: Purposeful Planning is something that keeps on giving — but sometimes if you snooze, you lose.

It will be difficult to sell/exchange your small rental properties if they’re in places like San Diego. It will only get harder as time goes by. It doesn’t matter if you need to grow your capital or if cash flow is your goal. List your properties for sale, find the growth area you prefer, and get outa Dodge.

Preferably by around 4:30 yesterday afternoon. :)

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12 comments to “Real Estate Investors — If Duplexes Are More Than $400K In Your Area? Get Outa Dodge Now”

Robert Coté on August 31st, 2007 at 10:00 am said:

  • Awesome analysis. Bravo. (Finished getting out Apr ‘06)

BawldGuy on August 31st, 2007 at 10:11 am said:

  • Thanks for the kind words Robert - you and I agree on this 100%

Robert Coté on August 31st, 2007 at 12:02 pm said:

  • My only “disagreement” is your choice of title. It isn’t the raw price but the rent to price ratio that signals buy/sell. Most places 100-110x rent is “fair value.” In California for various reasons; low mantainence, Prop 13, etc., 130-140x is the standard. I sold my last at 273x. My low low cost basis not longer mattered. The equity was not efficiently deployed. If you can still sell for 180x rent in SoCal it isn’t going to get any better for a long time. Thus, in my modest opinion, I would have used a title more like; “If Your N-Plex is Worth 180x Rent or More, Sell.” Yours is still easier and accurately reflects the SD specific market.

BawldGuy on August 31st, 2007 at 12:08 pm said:

  • I was speaking to my audience with that title, but your point is indisputable.

Sock Puppet on August 31st, 2007 at 4:37 pm said:

  • >>Sure — Where the heck do ya go on vacation, when you already live in Paradise?

    New Zealand.

    I win! :-)

    -Athol

BawldGuy on August 31st, 2007 at 5:01 pm said:

  • I was hopin’ you wouldn’t be paying attention. :)

Christopher Smith on September 1st, 2007 at 10:18 am said:

  • A great summary of the potential pitfalls of investing (speculating) in overvalued markets. Not a popular message for some folks, though.

    I’m seeing some of that California money heading to Texas these days…

BawldGuy on September 1st, 2007 at 11:10 am said:

  • Thanks Christopher - I’ve been watching the march to Texas.

    I’ve had a fence around that state for 30 years, because they don’t seem to operate by the ‘physics’ of economics. I’ve seen too many respected colleagues come back home with their tails between their legs. :)

    Also, the real estate taxes on so high, the analysis for Texas property requires a unique template. It’s just a personal bias.

    What’s your opinion of Texas?

late night austin real estate on September 4th, 2007 at 9:58 pm said:

  • I’m from Austin, and we do get a bit of people from California interested in investing here. It is true the taxes are high, so they are a major factor, plus the management fees since it is a long distance. One of the first things we tell people is that the taxes are higher. But the prices are lower though so you still may have a better chance at cash flow than in California or Florida.

BawldGuy on September 4th, 2007 at 10:54 pm said:

  • Austin - Only because I’ve spent over 30 years watching respected investors return from Texas wounded and poorer, have I constructed a fence around the state. :)

    Taxes there are 2-3 times higher than here, which makes the ‘lower’ prices there somewhat of a mirage.

    I’m always open to new opportunity though. Things change, and I can adjust to new info. :)

    Please come back.

Ken on September 6th, 2007 at 11:28 pm said:

  • How do you research your “preferred growth areas”? I’m all for “getting outta Dodge” with my cash and buying in areas that are much closer in the rent vs. value ratio…but how do you find them?

BawldGuy on September 7th, 2007 at 2:45 pm said:

  • Ken - Excellent question.

    First we sit in our office, feet on desk, coffee in hand, pouring over research - not ours.

    We then pick the areas for which we have the most interest - read: think have the most growth potential.

    At that point we’ve eliminated several cities/regions. The remaining candidates then are researched, again from our office, until we feel comfortable with the integrity of the data.

    We speak with title companies, local lenders, real estate agents, bloggers, property managers, and the like.

    Once an area survives those filters, it’s time for our feet to hit their soil. We arrange face to face meetings with most of the top people with whom we’ve already spoken.

    Based on the results of those conversations, we set up, for lack of a better phrase, a reconnaissance mission. This entails a field trip with one or more of the pros we’ve met.

    We then match our macro research, (i.e. demographics, specific job/employment issues, recent job growth history, appreciation history, recovery rates, vacancy and rental rates) with our ‘boots on ground’ experience.

    At that point it’s like most potential projects - you have to decide whether it’s a go or not.

    Phoenix was an obvious choice, and proved itself. The fundamentals there are still phenomenal. Jobs are still being created, folks are still moving there, etc. We’re happy with that decision.

    Boise was passed over for Phoenix, a decision we bitterly regret. We should’ve picked both cities. I’ve learned not to cry more than a minute when using 20/20 hindsight. :)

    We came to Boise, knowing the correction was coming hard and fast, and also realizing the hold period would necessarily be longer. We didn’t care. Our research showed us the area was not only a job magnet, but that is was, relative to it’s surrounding competition, Mayberry in culture - a very good attribute to have.

    Before we begin begin putting our clientele into a new region, we put together a team of local professionals. An agent or two, a strong property manager is crucial. Also, a property inspector, local lender(s), title and escrow.

    They all report to Brown and Brown, or they can’t be on the team. If we’re not in control of general policy, we can’t be held responsible.

    This approach has worked well for us and our clients.

    It looks simple, but believe me it’s a giant pain in the butt. However, if you’re keeping the investor client moving toward their goal of retirement, what choice is there? We have to be constantly searching.

    Recently we’ve been looking at several areas around the country to add to our list. It’s a time consuming and often frustrating process - but well worth it.

    Kansas City, parts of North Carolina, Tulsa, and even, gulp, some cities in central and northern California of all places, are on our current short list.

    I hope this helped Ken. Please come back.

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