Real Estate Investing For Retirement– A Yugo Or A Mercedes?

Posted @ 10:49 pm - Filed under Real Estate Investing, Retirement

It’s been awhile since I’ve written about ’should I do this, or should I do that’, but today it cropped up for the 247th time this year — Rick wants to begin investing for retirement, and Allie wants to take the 2-3 years it’ll take to pay off the cars. Of course both cars represent a total of less than $500 a month. Go Figure.

So here’s the deal. A young couple, (25) owns a house, has kids, and is living the American Dream. He’s studying for his degree while working full time. She’s home with the kids. He contacts me wanting to find out what I’d tell him to do to get started. I’ll skip the preliminaries.

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A company he found on the internet wants him to refi his house, invest the money with them so they (hard money lenders) can pay him 1.5% a month, or 18% a year. His wife is apparently all for it. I need to write this down somewhere — Wives tend to go for whatever choice appears to offer instant security.

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They can refi their home, netting around $40,000 or so. They can buy a rental for around $25-27,000 including closing costs. (Price is $235-250,000) It would break even before taxes.

Principle in Play: You don’t know what you don’t know. Corollary: You can’t prepare for the consequences of what you don’t know that you don’t know.

Their choice is to invest in a vehicle yielding an after tax cash flow of less than $6,000 a year — with zero, nada, zilch appreciation — guaranteed. OR Invest in a new home in an excellent location, (growth region) that will pay for itself on a monthly basis. It is expected to appreciate 5% a year, sometimes more, over the foreseeable future. (Yeah, I know, crystal balls and all. Mine’s cracked too, but if this area doesn’t go up a least 5% a year, we’re all face down in the water. :) )

The results for each choice after five years are as follows:

The first choice will have yielded our young couple $30,000 in after tax cash flow, increased the debt on their home, and produced two free and clear, and by then, very used cars. (But the payments will be gone, right?)

The second choice will result in just under $70,000 in accrued appreciation. (5% a year on a purchase price of $250,000) He will have saved a little over $13,000 in fed/state income taxes due to the tax shelter provided by the depreciation. If he decided to make use of a tax deferred exchange (1031) he’d be trading into give or take $500,000 in new property.

As I explained this to him, he understood immediately. (After talking with him just a few minutes it’s obvious he’s very bright.) Just to make sure though, I offered one last thought to ponder. I asked him if he understood he was, in essence, trying to decide what to buy — with the same exact capital mind you – a Yugo or a Mercedes.

This is a perfect illustration, provided in real life, of what can happen when you don’t know what you don’t know. Reading this, you know that a Yugo is not worth what a single chrome Mercedes wheel costs. So you wouldn’t waste time ‘deciding’ what was best. But that’s only because you know, right? Right.

If he decides to go with my advice, he’ll have avoided the financial consequences of choosing a non-appreciating asset over an appreciating asset because the income, in the short run was alluring — though a dead end. “Investing for retirement goes a lot easier when the investments appreciate over time.” (Captain Obvious)

NOTE: His first choice is only a poor choice in this particular set of circumstances. There are instances when that choice would be much preferred — not many, but some.

I wonder if one day, when he’s older, wiser, and wealthier, and passing a broken down Yugo parked on the side of the road in his shiny Mercedes, he’ll remember our conversation?

Closing Principle: Those who don’t know what they don’t know cannot prepare for the consequences of their actions.


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How much does a chrome Mercedes wheel cost? I don’t know for sure, but I know it’s more than a Yugo. And I bet it holds its value a lot better too.

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6 comments to “Real Estate Investing For Retirement– A Yugo Or A Mercedes?”

Geoff Phelps on June 14th, 2007 at 8:47 am said:

  • Jeff,

    Wow! Another terrific post. I love the principles. It is striking how common it is for individuals to not know what season of their investing life they are in. No wonder two-thirds of American’s aren’t financially positioned to retire.

    To your success,
    Geoff Phelps

BawldGuy on June 14th, 2007 at 8:56 am said:

  • Thanks again Geoff - I think it’s a lot more than 2/3 though, don’t you?

    I recall a WSJ article last year saying the average 57 year old man had less than $60K in their 401(k).

    Scary.

Jennifer Steck on June 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pm said:

  • People seem to be searching everywhere for the right answer, when it is right in front of their face. I love the yugo/mercedes analogy. If they really think about it, the choice makes clear sense and they can confirm it with good research and advice. It is the fly by night folks that want it to be difficult so that we have to rely on them to make the decision for us. But the real question is, was the wife sold on the plan?

BawldGuy on June 16th, 2007 at 2:41 pm said:

  • Ah - the wife. The reason I haven’t been selling houses since 1976. If just one more ‘wife’ had told me the color of the kitchen or living room was wrong, and THAT was why they weren’t buy the house, I’d of been on the 11 o’clock news. :)

    Our research is key to our clients’ success, that’s for sure.

    By the way, I’m now in Denver with some of my investors. If I’m there any time soon, I’ll call you.

Cher on June 17th, 2007 at 12:28 am said:

  • Jeff, I understand that new investors who have day jobs should not opt for cash flow instuments over R.E., but would you address the role of cash flow instuments for someone who has been in the game longer, is retired with no day job and needs to be into some cash flow instruments to pay the bills.
    Do you recommend continueing to 1031 in retirement, taking out “boot” for yearly expenses?
    Is there not a role for some good steady cash flows and if so, where.
    I do think that Trust Deeds have their place at a particular time in an investors life as part of a portfolio that includes appreciating R.E. as well

BawldGuy on June 17th, 2007 at 9:20 am said:

  • Cher - Bless you for teeing it up for me. :) I can always count on you. Of course, now that you’re ‘officially’ retired, you have much more time to ponder, don’t you? :)

    In this post I wanted folks would see this -

    >NOTE: His first choice is only a poor choice in this particular set of circumstances. There are instances when that choice would be much preferred — not many, but some.

    For those without jobs, and without income from real estate investments, whether because they’ve just begun, or one of the many other possible reasons, income must be created, right?

    This, of course, assumes you have the capital to create income in the first place. If you do, here are some things you can do.

    1. In great markets you can, as you mentioned, take tax sheltered boot (cash) from exchanges.
    This is fine until it becomes somewhat cannibalistic in nature.

    2. You can loan money secured by property of various kinds. Or invest in ‘discounted’ trust deeds, which will increase your actual return - not only in annual %, but in dollars in vs dollars invested.

    3. FIUL’s are probably your best bet. However, they require time and a Purposeful Plan. Their income is tax free by definition, and aren’t taxable to your heirs when you die. They’re not of any help however when income is needed, more or less NOW.

    The short answer Cher, is that TD’s, discounted or not, along with many other cash flow ‘instruments’ can be life savers - and when done correctly, are a smart way to go. (In fact, I’ve recommended this approach dozens of times to folks in the position you described.)

    This is especially true when you can use a tax deferred vehicle, (temporarily) like a self-directed IRA, to defer taxes until you wish to make withdrawals. A Roth is even better in some cases. (Be very careful.)

    In the end Cher, if the choice and therefore the capital are available, TD’s are definitely a fine way to generate monthly cash flow for every day living. Meanwhile, the real estate investments should be positioned such that they will throw off sheltered income - if not now, at least down the road.

    Permanent cash flow from several sources is the best Plan.

    FIUL’s, income property, and TD’s are great for cash flow.

    That said, the income from TD’s are ultimately the least protected income of the bunch when it comes to income taxes. The only tax reduction will, ironically, come from the real estate investments you made. And sometimes even that doesn’t work.

    Great question Cher. You may never know how many folks you just helped.

    I sense a post on this subject is on the way. :)

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