Our Economic Woes – Is There a Solution We Can Take From Relatively Recent History?

Posted @ 9:09 pm - Filed under Economy, Physics of Economics, Texas

Let’s begin with a sentiment I’ve adopted since the night I first heard it uttered by Johnny Carson. “If all the world’s economists were laid end to end, it’d be a good idea.” Economics violates the 80/20 rule in the sense only about 2% of them ever seem to get things right more than they get it wrong. I’ve studied this phenomena with the assumption the principles involved work every time they’re tried.

Problem is, much of what one economist hails as ‘proven principle’ is mocked by the next guy. So much for the science of economics.

Though they all agree on something as simple as the law of supply & demand, they’ll debate ’till their heart stops beating about whether government spending or tax cuts work better. What really galls is those on either side of the debate will often cite the same set of ‘facts’ to prove their case.

About 25 years ago, give or take, I noticed a major difference between the two basic camps — government spending vs cutting taxes. The former approach has as a foundational assumption that human behavior remains static when faced with different government policies affecting them directly. Whereas the latter assumes people will alter their behavior according to the consequences of any policy changes affecting them — especially if it’s financial in nature.

Speakin’ only for myself, if I lived in California back in the ’50’s and owned my own firm as I do now, and made what was defined back then as high wages, I would’ve quit workin’ every year when I hit a certain amount. Why? Let’s look at the numbers high wage earners faced back then.

Once my income would have reached the trigger point, the highest marginal personal income tax rate of 90.5% (!) would’ve kicked in — and that was just for federal taxes. Then California’s taxes would pile on. Let’s say they were 9%. That meant every morning as I was readying myself for work, I knew going in that not counting payroll taxes etc., every dollar I made was really only half a cent.

Would that change your behavior?

Apparently it altered the practices of thousands of Americans who had the option of working hard to earn more money, or go fishin’. How do we know this? History. JFK, in response to an economic downturn, cut the top marginal rate from the sublimely ridiculous 90.5% to a merely everyday ridiculous 70%. He also cut taxes on business. His reasoning?

To stimulate immediate economic growth, an increase in jobs, and to increase the amount, in terms of dollars, collected by the U.S. Treasury via personal/business income taxes. HE expected Americans to change their behavior both personally and in business as a direct result of the changes he was making. Imagine that.

The results JFK expected, and predicted in his address to the country on the subject happened immediately upon being passed by Congress.

It’s funny how regular folk will bust their butts to improve their lot in life, as long as they perceive the reward for said butt busting to be fair and just. President Kennedy had it right, and he knew it. He stated his reasons clearly, and without stuttering once. I’ve heard his speech on the subject multiple times. Furthermore, the consequences of his tax cuts proved him right on the money — pun intended.

Fast forward to the early ’80’s, if only to show bipartisanship.

The same scenario, the same results. The only difference between the actions/results of the two presidents’ tax cuts was in degree. Where President Kennedy cut from 90% to 70%, President Reagan went all in, so to speak, cutting Kennedy’s top marginal personal tax rate of 70% to 28%.

On the other hand, those who favor government spending to grow the economy, think by simply raising taxes they’ll increase the likelihood of increased revenues to the Treasury. The apparently false assumption being that you and I, along with business won’t change our behavior one way or the other. See, you and I can’t print money. We must earn it, which means we must work hard for it.

Businesses aren’t any different than you and I. If they’re taxed into oblivion, they’ll change their conduct until they either figure it out, or go out of business OR simply go where they’re appreciated.

Take California — please. (badda boom)

Our current Governator is only in office due to the hemorrhaging of business taxes brought on my huge employers simply giving up and leaving the state. Where did they go? An easy question if there ever was one. They went to business friendly states — Arizona, Idaho, and especially Texas among others. California still hasn’t fully recovered from that exodus in my opinion.

All the talk about interest rates, and stimulus this, stimulus that, avoids the medicine that will bring our country back to its accustomed economic status quo. Lower taxes across the board — personal — business — capital gains. Then get the heck out of the way of the tsunami of growth and repair that will be our new reality.

Your thoughts? Before anyone brings it up, yes, I understand how government regulators have dropped the ball big time. That’s not the subject of this post though, so I’d appreciate it if the comments would stay on topic.

You can contact me at 619 889-7100. Have a good one.

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9 comments to “Our Economic Woes – Is There a Solution We Can Take From Relatively Recent History?”

Vance Shutes on October 9th, 2009 at 4:31 am said:

  • Bawld Guy,

    Over here in cold, dreary Michigan, our brilliant state government wanted to stimulate the movie-making business. What did they do? They offered special incentives in tax savings. What happened? Michigan is now a HOTBED of moving-making activity! As Gomer Pyle might say, “Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!”

    It’s as if politicians never learn. Cut taxes, and business booms! This fact is proven over and over again.

    Oh, I hear that the Michigan State government is thinking of ending the special incentives for the movie makers. Guess what the (predictable) response is from the movie makers? See ya, Michigan!

    A recent client works in Accountancy, mostly with small businesses. He advised me that last year (tax year 2008), most of his business clients had (cash-basis) losses reported on their Federal tax returns. But, on their State returns, each of them owed a sizable tax amount (5- and 6-figure amounts). WTH is Michigan thinking? Hmmm… let me guess: They’re thinking (insert bubble over their heads here) “I know! Let’s kill ALL the businesses in Michigan. That way, we’ll have a GREEN state once again.”

    Idiots.

    I guess we won’t be moving out to California, though. Sounds like you’ve got it just as bad. At least we still have water (poke, nudge)!

BawldGuy on October 9th, 2009 at 8:58 am said:

  • Hey Vance, good to see ya — All things being equal, if I’m gonna be lead/taxed by dunderheads, I’d just as soon endure it in CA’s climate. :)

    Love MI’s approach to attracting Hollywood biz. Would love to know their thought process.

    Don’t be a stranger.

Melina Tomson on October 9th, 2009 at 9:52 am said:

  • Oregon business tax was $10 for the longest time…since 1933 in fact, and of course it just got raised here to compensate for the deficit we have. I still think as a small business owner that our corporate taxes are relatively low here. I think our local economy is impacted by other issues instead.

BawldGuy on October 9th, 2009 at 9:59 am said:

  • Melina — What other issues would those be?

    Also, though your state corp taxes may be relatively low (I don’t know), the onerous federal taxes are surely weighing them down.

    Thanks for you input, and please, don’t be a stranger, Melina.

Chris Lengquist on October 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am said:

  • Please. Do not try to talk sense.

    Personally I’m for a national sales tax while abolishing the payroll (punative) tax. Not that it would ever happen, but if you spend a lot of money you pay a lot of taxes. You don’t spend a lot? Then you don’t pay a lot.

    How many black-market dollars would now be captured so that the burden of funding the treasury would be shifted off just the honest people’s plate and be put on EVERYONE’s plate. Now prostitutes, drug dealers, garage salers, etc all pay taxes when they spend their gains. It just makes sense.

BawldGuy on October 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am said:

  • Chris — Let me play Devil’s Advocate here a second.

    A large enough national sales tax might have the unintended consequence of tangible damage to business, which if true, would ultimately result in lost jobs.

    Your thoughts?

Tom Vanderwell on October 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pm said:

  • I’ll throw in a couple of thoughts as well:
    1. I agree with Vance whole heartedly. The episode that Michigan had with the movie industry is a classic example of how lower tax rates stimulate economic growth. I’ve always wondered though, for the tax breaks that the Michigan government has given the movie industry, how much of a long term growth have we gained?

    2. A huge amount of the problems (but not all of them) that a place like Michigan has stem from the government’s policies. “We” are currently running on a temporary budget because we couldn’t balance the budget. Why not? Because the legislature and the governor are fighting like my two 8 year olds on a bad day. But what are they proposing? Some significant spending cuts but also tax increases. Guess what the effect of the tax increases is going to do? Yep, it’s going to lower the overall tax revenue and make the long term economic life of Michigan significantly worse. Oh, and for the record, I did not vote for our governor!

    3. Do I think that Bawldguy/Reagan’s theory makes economic sense? Absolutely.

    4. Do I think that it’s the answer to all of our problems right now? Nope. We’re not only dealing with normal economic consequences right now, we’re dealing with a credit bubble that has popped and a major deleveraging of a society that was drunk on credit. It’s going to take a LOT more than lower tax rates to bring our economy out of the doldrums. Lower tax rates will help, but they won’t be enough.

    I’ve come to have a better appreciation for some economists lately. Nouriel Roubini, Meredith Whitney, Paul Krugman, they are ones who know what they are talking about and can really teach a lot about where we’ve been and what we can expect going forward. Predictions are exactly that, predictions and are impossible to do right with 100% frequency. Look at it this way, if the weatherman in Grand Rapids Michigan is wrong 50% of the time and considered a professional. And I think the economy is harder to predict than the weather.

    The hardest part for economists is maintaining their impartiality. I give you Lawrence Yun as an example. Enough said?

    Have a good day!

    Tom

Chris Lengquist on October 10th, 2009 at 7:01 am said:

  • I believe the national sales tax would be less than 12% across the board. Housing under certain pricing and nutritional foods would be exempt from the sales tax. There would be no more payroll tax.

    I have no where near the space or time to say it all here. But I’m a huge Alan Keyes fan and you can go to his website for his ideas and beliefs. (He’s a Constitutionalist…at least in my opinion.)

    Now, having said all of that, it’s all moot because no way we’ll ever do it. I believe the IRS is an important arm of the government that allows us all to remember that we work for them, not the other way around. :)

Joshua on October 11th, 2009 at 11:40 am said:

  • “Take California — please. (badda boom)” – LMAO ;) Having lived in San Diego myself I’d say I too would stay there and be taxed just the same; but there is a point at which one must truly decide to call it quits.

    In any case, to put my two cents in regrading your post. I’m a huge fan of Milton Friedman, Ron Paul, Sheldon Richman, Ludwig von Misus, Jeff Brown, and others. The Federal Reserve, IRS, and our current tax code should all be destroyed. Our country boomed up until the early 20th century and things are looking really grim for our future if things don’t change.

    Milton Friedman had some excellent points, though some I disagree with such as fiat money policy, in regards to the economy. If anyone is interested they can review my 5 part series on Milton Friedman in my Personal Heroes Series here: http://qcwatchdog.datsure.com/?p=188

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