Nuts & Bolts For Real Estate Investors

Posted @ 9:15 pm - Filed under Real Estate Markets, Market Correction, Predictions, Buyer's Market

Alas, the pics for this post are random at best, and totally discombobulating at worst. I’m just sayin’.

Wanna know something helpful about this real estate market correction? There are folks, who after observing several diverse markets have concluded something’s up. Up you say? Is my property gonna start goin’ up? Not so fast rose colored glasses breath.

Something is up alright. As regular readers know, this ain’t my first time in the theatre. I’ve seen this movie, and its sequels. I know the ending. Don’t know when it’s comin’ or how it arrives, but I do know the ending. Oh, get to the punch line? Sure.

Campfire

The ending is when those seeing this sequel, thinking it’s the first time in history real estate has taken a powder, begin to think the ‘arrow on the chart’ only heads downward. Of course, it’s the same folks who thought a few years ago the ‘arrow’ only went up. Go figure.

Before continuing, let me warn you in plain English. Any serious attempt to time a market is foolish at the least, and courting tragic and unintended consequences at the worst.

Because Brown and Brown does business around the country, we get insights from many different markets. Things are happenin’. Wanna hang yer hat on anecdotal ‘evidence’ of a changing market? Don’t. I did that once, and got knocked flat. Anecdotal evidence at best is an indicator of what may be happening — or not. It might not be evidence of any kind, empirical or anecdotal.

So here’s what I’m thinkin’.

The bottom feeders are out in big numbers, like piranas on a cow stuck in the creek’s mud. San Diego has been removed from the so called declining market list. ‘Course my hat is kinda sorta hangin’ on what’s happening in Phoenix. That poor region has been hit hard, kicked where nobody should be kicked, and set on fire. They’re still a long ride to Grandma’s house from recovering. But it’s what’s happening in their REO market that has my attention. It’s on fire, the cool kind.

A trend of sorts has made itself undeniably clear. REO’s are selling at a pace requiring a comma for the number every 30 days. That’s a lotta houses, Louise. Still, though impressive in numbers, we want more, don’t we?

I do.

How ’bout a large minority of them are sellin’ for more than the asking price, via multiple offers. The absorption rate is down below five months. So what? I’ll tellya so what. That’s what we in the real estate biz call a seller’s market. Now before ya go off half cocked tellin’ folks the BawldGuy said Phoenix is in a seller’s market, keep readin’ for a least another sentence or two, alright?

Wood and Rust

It’s a seller’s market for REO’s only. The rest of the market is still firmly ensconced in the buyer’s market column. FIRMLY. But as soon as the REO’s are gone — guess what? The next cheapest homes are gonna be the ones who’ve been stomped on and falling down the same stairs for nearly three years now. Suddenly, they’ll be the prettiest girls at the dance. They’ll begin to sell in ever increasing numbers.

And that’s when we’re gonna know this particular correction is beginning the maddeningly long U-Turn back to normalcy — whatever that is.

Sounds good, doesn’t it? Just remember, you’ll know this correction is on its way out when it becomes absolutely obvious in real time. Pinpointing the actual pivot point happens only with 20/20 hindsight.

What does all this mean to the serious real estate investor? Well, I’ll tellya, Pilgrim. It means staying under the radar is still a fact of life, but in definite danger of disappearing ’till the next time this movie comes to town. When The banks start sellin’ their junk faster than pancakes at a Boy Scout breakfast, it means more than a few folks are fallin’ off the fence, and voting with their cash.

Old guy at finish line

Don’t make the common mistake of labeling this evidence as merely anecdotal, so of little or no value. Though anecdotal in nature, thousands of REO’s sold every month in a market like Phoenix might be, (NOT surely is) an indicator that several thousand buyers in Phoenix have decided to leave the safety of their perch on the fence of indecision.

Anecdotal or not — this is my third sequel. I know the ending. This is beginning to look like the last three times. It could be a false alarm, but it doesn’t feel like it. The last time I went to this movie I began to feel this way around 1996 — last quarter. 1997 was not a great year, but it was decent, all things considered.

I’ve not change my mind from the first of this year. 2009 could be 1997. I’m just sayin’.

Get hold of me and tell me your story. I need a fix. Today was relatively quiet. Call me. Email me. Use a carrier pigeon, or send a flare, but let’s talk. Find the Contact BawldGuy dolhickie and click it. You’ll know what to do next.

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13 comments to “Nuts & Bolts For Real Estate Investors”

Doug Quance on June 17th, 2008 at 7:17 pm said:

  • Those who try to time the bottom of the market are doomed to miss it, entirely.

    The opportunities are still out there - but they’re getting harder to find. That alone shows that the page is turning.

James on June 17th, 2008 at 7:45 pm said:

  • You are focused on the demand side of the equation which has limited capacity. The supply side is still the big problem - and will continue to be so as more REO’s hit the market as the next wave of foreclosures hits. Many of the sellers who are waiting have a liquidity problem that can only be maintained for so long. You are early in Phoenix - and it will cost you another 10-15% if you buy now.

BawldGuy on June 17th, 2008 at 7:48 pm said:

  • An astute observation. You always seem to find the gold nugget laying on the ground in front of us.

Kerin Cantwell on June 17th, 2008 at 7:53 pm said:

  • Here in Pasadena, CA no one is even buying the REOs yet. We were a little late to the slow down, but now it seems that every other listing is a short sale. How much of a discount to market value will REO lenders take in your experience?

BawldGuy on June 17th, 2008 at 7:54 pm said:

  • Who is early, James? You see me tellin’ folks to buy in Phoenix?

    I think you’re probably more likely than not correct in your conclusions. Sounds to me like you’re getting just a tad fine though in timing the market.

    When you have some time, I’d love to see what else your crystal ball tells you. Mine’s cracked. :)

    All kidding aside, the REO’s will keep coming and they will keep selling. The demand side in that area has been quiet while building all through the correction. Population growth plus very impressive job growth will, in the end, allow demand to begin to overcome even an ever growing supply.

    Only the passage of time will tell. Don’t be a stranger, James.

BawldGuy on June 17th, 2008 at 8:10 pm said:

  • Kerin — I’m the wrong guy for hands on experience with REO’s, as I’ve avoided them in every down market. It’s not that I don’t think they’re good deals, it’s just that we haven’t had the need to deal with them. (Knock wood)

    Please don’t infer that means we don’t think monster good deals aren’t possible via REO pathways, ‘cuz we do.

    I’m wondering if the lenders holding REO’s in Pasadena are possibly looking to get ahead of the curve by softening now, instead of chasing what might be a lower bottom. I’d definitely test that if I were you.

    Be very aggressive with your offers. What are they gonna tell ya? Go fish? They’re the ones with the problem, not you or your client. Since nobody’s buying them, it means you might be able to go in without competition and cherry pick.

    Remember, lenders hate having the dang things on their books. Smart lenders are doing whatever they can to put them on your clients’ books. :)

Doug Quance on June 17th, 2008 at 8:32 pm said:

  • Supply has no meaning without the demand factor.

    There is a pent-up buying demand that has been squelched by a sinking market. I know many people who are watching and waiting to make a move…

Robert Coté on June 18th, 2008 at 7:16 am said:

  • I disagree as to pent up demand. We’ve had years of overbuilding and the rate of homeownership has skyrocketed far beyond trend. If just one household in 10 kept and extra person in the home for whatever reason that’s 4 million excess houses alone. The baby boom is past their real estate accumulation years and the baby bulge is 6-8 years at lest before being felt in the home buying market. Then there’s the issue of all the future homeowners who were pulled from the future to buy now with loose lending and low rates. finally all the demographics in the world doesn’t matter if the banks aren’t lending.

    Pent up demand was one of the bloodhound blogs infamous 21 reasons why Phoenix real estate will never go down . Published 2 years ago this month. Hows that turned out so far?

BawldGuy on June 18th, 2008 at 10:04 am said:

  • Robert — Demand is pent up because it’s not been acted upon, right? It’s not been converted to action because they perceive wrong timing for the last three years.

    I was speaking of Phoenix, as you are. There are 10’s of thousands of folks in those three years who’ve come from other regions. They’re well employed. The area itself is now the #1 job creating county in the country.

    Massive population increase + 3.5% unemployment = pent up demand. The supply? I agree. Still, buyers have been waiting so as not to jump ‘to soon’ timing the market. These REO’s have been around for a very long time, yet only now they’re flying off the shelves, often over asking price via multiple offers.

    When pent up demand makes its move, it almost always goes for the bargain basement stuff first. Duh, right? That’s what’s happening there now. You don’t see it happening here right?

    It’s affordable in AZ. Interest is relatively low. The down payments and underwriting are stricter, yet thousands sell monthly. If that’s not a sign of pent up demand, I’m not sure what would be.

James on June 18th, 2008 at 7:11 pm said:

  • Love the debate…it is what makes markets work.

    I respectfully disagree that there is enough pent up demand to turn the market in Phoenix. I agree that there is pent up demand. I don’t agree that there is enough pent up demand to support the over supply of homes on the market - and homes soon to be on the market through additional foreclosures. The fact is, Phoenix is seeing lower home prices.

    If decreasing prices aren’t a sign of too much current supply, I’m not sure what would be.

    Markets work and you see that through stable prices where supply = demand. Phoenix requires lower home prices because it certainly isn’t going to happen with the amount of “pent up” demand out in the market. I believe there is “pent up” supply.

    Someone needs to turn off the home sale production line and focus on moving this inventory before we can even consider, for a moment, increases in prices. Hold on…

BawldGuy on June 18th, 2008 at 7:26 pm said:

  • James — There’s really no debate.

    I’ve not said the pent up demand was gonna turn their market around. I said it was making itself evident in its impressive volume of REO sales. It’s a step, not a turnaround.

    There are far more renters there now than before. Also, the buyers who will be looking at the homes priced slightly higher than the median, will begin buying next.

    One step at a time. We’re on the same page, more or less, James.

    The existence of pent up demand doesn’t mean the imminent end to the correction. Thousands deciding to jump off the fence and buy, does however provide empirical evidence of a fairly impressive shift in some of the public’s perception.

James on June 18th, 2008 at 9:07 pm said:

  • “Also, the buyers who will be looking at the homes priced slightly higher than the median, will begin buying next.”

    I agree…and as soon as those homes drop in price to at/below the median price buyers will begin to step in - until there aren’t any buyers left at that price point and the price drops further enticing another group of buyers into the market until inventory clears out.

    Enjoy your website…

BawldGuy on June 18th, 2008 at 9:10 pm said:

  • Thanks James, and again, don’t be a stranger.

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