Great Places To Live Aren’t Always Great Places To Invest — Take San Diego — Please

Posted @ 11:04 pm - Filed under Real Estate Investing, Selling Income Property, San Diego Property Owners, Real Estate Markets, Cash Flow, Buying Income Property, Capital Growth

I’m allowed to talk about San Diego. I’ve lived here for over 40 years. Went to school here. I’ve raised two kids, who still have many of the friends they had in elementary school. I love living here, and frankly, haven’t seen anywhere I’d rather live. I am a San Diegan. Everyone says they live in Paradise, but when compared to San Diego?

Get real. la fonda balcony view

We’re polite about it, but we know in our heartswe really live in Paradise. :) Incredible beaches to the west — great getaways in Mexico to the south — the desert to the east, along with some gorgeous mountain towns — and north? We don’t talk much about that direction. Is anyone bragging lately about their cool trip to L.A. recently? Right, didn’t think so. :)

Our county is a testament to how long we’ve been around. Newer areas abound in the north and south. Our Gaslamp area downtown is now used by cities around the country as an example of what’s possible. The Coronado Bridge is world famous, as is the Hotel Del. We have homes designed and built by Sears, and homes built for the mega-wealthy which are worth $20Mil +.

balboa park

How ’bout Balboa Park with all its incredible museums and art? Or the best zoo in America? Or the Wild Animal Park? Or Sea World? Anyone been to our bay lately?

Those reading this as San Diego residents are saying (many loudly I’m sure) I’ve not even done justice to summarizing why it’s so cool living here — and they’re right.

Though we take it for granted, much of our everyday lives are experienced surrounded by scenes found in vacation postcards. There are so many spectacular views in our town, it’s a constant challenge not to be smug about it. We’re so spoiled here.

Our weather is fodder for Jay Leno’s opening monologue. I remember one night, when he was making fun of TV weathermen here. He said, “Tomorrow, we can expect 72˚ with light offshore breezes and clear blue skies with cotton candy clouds. Tonight — mostly dark. Back to you Mark!” :)

My son and I both live in what’s known here as the East County — western side. I’m 20 minutes from breakfast on the Pacific Beach strand with a view of the beach and the waves escorting surfers in a never ending cycle of perfection.

Our drive to the office is 15 minutes if we hit traffic — on the days our presence there is required. :)

sdsu trolley stop

My daughter also lives in the same part of town, and is currently finishing up her degree. (3 semesters to go!) She walks five minutes to the trolley, which drops her off inside the campus.

Don’t think I’m saying we don’t have our problems. Unless you’ve been living in a cave the last couple weeks, you know Paradise here gets, ah, interrupted from time to time. Putting a positive spin on our recent wildfire(s) experience — when Paradise is threatened, it allows us to realize what we really have here.

Bottom line? For San Diegans — Life Is Good.

In the last few years though, part of our Paradise has been permanently deleted.

Invest in San Diego income property the last 40 years? You’ve done very well. Up times, down times, yer still way ahead of the game. The first fourplex I ever sold was for under $100,000. A client today is waiting for escrow to close on his fourplex — a few bucks under $1 Million!

What sane investor, whether pursuing capital growth or reliable cash flow, pays a million bucks for four units? Look, if the rents were $2,500 a unit, it’d work. They’re just over half that. I won’t bother to do the numbers. Suffice to say, 35% down kinda defeats the whole growth agenda thing, know what I mean, Verne?

Cash flow? That down payment gets you $0 pre-tax cash flow.

Ask the seller of the million dollar fourplex if he’d buy his own fourplex for 20% less than his buyer has agreed to pay. He’ll laugh out loud, as long as the buyer isn’t in the room. :)

Wanna buy a rental house in San Diego? That idea leaves funny, and goes directly to sad. 50% down brings you a break even cash flow position. Pretty enticing, eh?

If you’re sitting on a lot of equity in San Diego, or own some income property here, you’re nodding your head in agreement.

“There’s a whole ‘nother world out there”, as Great-Grandpa used to say.

That San Diego duplex you’ve owned since 1999? What’s it worth today, $500-750,000 or so?

Would you even contemplate buying it today for 80% of today’s value?

I thought not. stop sign

You’re lookin’ at the blue skies of San Diego, and not paying attention to the sign telling you to stop investing here. It just doesn’t make sense no matter how convoluted the logic gets.

I have a solution for you — and you do need a solution, whether you realize the problem or not. :)

If you’re investing for capital growth, or cash flow — San Diego is your problem.

Your current plan calls for you to keep that small SD rental property?

Growth? In the next 10 years you will have cost yourself at least $500,000 by staying here.

Cash flow? You can’t imagine the income you’re literally throwing away by not trading outa here. If you currently have $250-500,000 in net equity, are you cash flowing $25-50,000 yearly?

Of course you’re not. In fact, you’re not even coming within shouting distance of that kind of cash flow.

Do you want to?

Call me — I know how, and it ain’t rocket science. :)

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10 comments to “Great Places To Live Aren’t Always Great Places To Invest — Take San Diego — Please”

David Stejkowski on November 1st, 2007 at 6:23 am said:

  • Looks like I won’t be moving back to and retiring in Paradise any time soon! Great post, and I’m glad you are telling the truth even if it hurts.

BawldGuy on November 1st, 2007 at 8:22 am said:

  • Hey David — Retiring here is Heaven. Of course, if your retirement plan calls for your income being generated by local income properties, you’ll be living in a shack. :)

Robert Coté on November 1st, 2007 at 8:50 am said:

  • I’m just unable to understand the mind of those people that are still investing in these areas. Is there just substitution going on where former investment properties are transitioning to private residences? The 2006 ACS doesn’t support that with owner occupied still a low 60%.

BawldGuy on November 1st, 2007 at 9:04 am said:

  • Robert — Agatha Chrisie, if she was still with us, would have a hard time solving this mystery. :)

    One possible factor could be the last 40 years — it’s conditioned two generations of investors to up up up. It also allowed for at least some kind of cash flow without having to almost buy it for cash. :)

    For many it’ll take awhile for the reality of this sea change to hit home.

Robert Coté on November 1st, 2007 at 11:32 am said:

  • Ahhh, yes. “Boiling Frog Syndrome.” That makes sense. I think there is also a more recent “conditioned response” that caused lazy investing. I’m old enough to remember when real estate was an illiquid investment with high transaction costs. These days people have experienced near a decade of selling in a few weeks and/or 48 hour approval on equity lines. Real Estate seemed as liquid as stocks and appreciation successfully masked transaction costs. Those things are back, each multiplied by the high prices. Wadda you think?

BawldGuy on November 1st, 2007 at 5:40 pm said:

  • That’s an excellent point. Early in my career, the only reason investors ever refinanced an investment property was to buy more, with very few exceptions.

    Though transactions costs for most were high, and made, as you point out, relatively painless, if the capital was invested in more real estate, they were likely good to go.

    Your point though, is that much if not most of that ‘easy’ money was spent on anything and everything BUT investments.

    My clients haven’t, 90% of the time, paid loan points for their loans. This has been true for the last 20 years — and is still true today.

    I agree with your point.

Cher on November 2nd, 2007 at 9:52 pm said:

  • Jeff, Your advise is sound for folks who have enough equity to sell at today’s prices.
    What about the “exceptions and you know who you are”.
    We’ve invested in growth areas and taken your advice to “get outta Dodge”.
    We have two remaining properties that were equity stripped to invest in growth areas.
    These properties can’t be sold for the remaining equity (in today’s prices) without coming up with a large chunk of cash in escrow.
    They have neg ams and negative cash flows and are a drag on the portfolio.
    Any ideas for the folks in town that have this problem?

Cher on November 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pm said:

  • Sorry Jeff, I posted this question twice. You only have to answer it once :-)

Jeff Brown on November 3rd, 2007 at 11:42 am said:

  • Cher — it only shows once, so as usual, you have the magic touch. :)

    The ‘you know who you are’ comment had nothing to do with folks in San Diego in the position about which you ask. Still, it’s a great question.

    First, why is the equity stripped? That’s the first question. If it was to invest in better areas, you’re already a happy camper with the results.

    The simple answer — don’t sell them. The only folks who lost in the stock market crash of 1987, (20 years old a few weeks ago.) were the ones who panicked and…….sold. A short while later they’d have literally been AHEAD.

    If they can’t sell due to a loan-to-value problem, then there’s no other viable option. Just stay put, selling will be easier before long.

    If though, you have an opportunity, like ones of which I write, take less and get outa here! :)

    What if you had $150K net equity a couple years ago, and now ‘comps’ say you should be able to get a little less than that. Yet, your income property still isn’t selling. So what?

    LOWER YOUR PRICE UNTIL IT DOES SELL.

    Why? Because once you turn you immobile equity/capital into investable capital, you can take it outa town, and MORE than make up for what you perceive to have ‘lost’ in San Diego.

    Here’s a real time example.

    A client of mine recently put $100K into a growth region. I have to be cagey here with the details, to preserve privacy. Let’s just say they went from a small income property in SD, worth less than $600K.

    They are about to own four separate properties valued at $900K. They pay for themselves, actually cash flowing a bit. They bought for significantly under what lower comps indicated the price should’ve been.

    They saved, in hard cash not spent, well over $10K on EACH unit in closing costs, loan points, appliances, and window coverings — all paid by the seller.

    They’re not worried about the so called ‘loss’ they took in SD.

    See what I mean, Verne?

    Anyone out there who’d like to chat about this with me directly? Email me with a phone number, and I’ll call you.

Cher on November 3rd, 2007 at 7:50 pm said:

  • Thanks, Jeff. I totally agree, if you HAVE equity, take a lower sales price and move on…no brainer.
    I like the analogy about the stock market.

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