401(k)’s IRA’s And Some Food For Thought

Posted @ 2:04 pm - Filed under Financial Planning, Retirement

My audience is pretty dang smart. When I’ve spoken with clients on this subject, the response has been fairly universal. First they are incredulous. Then they ask me how it is the financial world keeps supporting the myth of the so called ‘qualified plans’ — 401’s and IRA’s. The math used to figure out what’s best for taxpayers is around the sixth grade level.

Let’s get started.

Grandma told me to check my assumptions when reassessing any accepted practice or belief. A seemingly global assumption about retirement is that you’ll automatically be paying taxes at a far lower tax rate. That is maybe the most injurious myth used to justify qualified plans as a vehicle for retirement planning. If we look at that belief with an eye for uncovering truth, you’ll find yourself having an ah-ha moment.

Everyone starts out with the goal of saving as much as humanly possible, right? Right. They want to retire with a million bucks in savings so they can live off the interest — and live very comfortably. If we use the S & P’s average annual return over the last half century or so, we’ll earn over 8% annually. So we’ll just use 8% for simplicity. If a married couple sets aside $4K yearly for 40 years at that rate they’ll have a million bucks. And if they just continue that approach they’ll have an $80K annual income for retirement. This doesn’t include whatever they’re receiving from Social Security.

Earth in Space

In what world does over $80K a year in income taxed at a lesser rate than when this couple was working? Even if they made the same or more before retirement, they had significantly more deductions to offset that income. They’ve no doubt bought into the ‘free & clear’ home myth too, which eliminates interest deduction. Their kids are long gone as are the child tax deductions. What are they left with?

If they live in an income tax state, they’re getting taxed at a combined rate of 30-35%! Let’s just use 33.3% because it’s easy.

Let’s assume they’re also getting around $15K a year from SS. That means until they’re in their early 70’s they’re paying taxes on $95K a year!! That means after taxes they’re left with only $63K. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sniffing at that amount. You an live somewhat comfortably on $5k a month, right? What about all the costs of running your home? Travel? Cars? Health insurance and care? Remember when your parents and grandparents thought $20K a year retirement was in the chips?

How’s that been workin’ for them so far?

What’s the alternative to these government sponsored qualified plans?

For once, the solution doesn’t require an advanced degree in quantum physics from M.I.T. :)

  • Stop putting deferred tax income into your IRA or 401(k) — qualified plans
  • Invest after tax income into vehicles which will grow at the same rate you’ve been getting
  • Upon retirement receive the same $80K a year with one exception — it’ll be tax free for life
  • Let’s review our comparison briefly.

    Scales to one side

    You can continue to put tax deferred income into your qualified retirement plan and retire with 30-35% less income. OR You can begin investing after tax income into a non-qualified vehicle and benefit from thousands more in monthly retirement income — all of which is tax free for life.

    A couple of final notes.

    Non-qualified doesn’t mean risky. On the contrary, these are investment grade insurance policies that are ‘A’ rated and proven very secure for the last several decades.

    You can evacuate the money already inside your 401’s and IRA’s and avoid the 10% penalty. By doing that over the next several years a little at a time you can use that money towards your tax free income. It’s proven to be a stellar strategy for my clients.

    When this strategy is combined with the tremendous growth potential of long term real estate investing, your retirement can not only be more financially abundant than you ever imagined, but can happen much earlier.

    I know I say this all the time, but having a Purposeful Plan means you’re doing things on purpose. It makes a huge difference over time.

    Enjoy your weekend.

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    6 comments to “401(k)’s IRA’s And Some Food For Thought”

    Cher on March 10th, 2007 at 9:43 am said:

    • Good weekend to you too.
      Unfortuneately, I had a grandmother that told me to conform and believe what the government said.
      However, in the 70’s, I rebelled against that and ran into the infamous Timothy Leary. He taught me, “Think for yourself and question authority!” So I did.
      So, like everything else I question, I, too questioned the well known factoid, ” “paying taxes at a lower rate” at retirement.
      I thought to myself…”Not me. I plan to be making MORE money at retirement than now.”
      For the last few yrs we’ve been scrimping to build growth to reap future benefits.
      I DO NOT want to get to retirement and have the government take a third of my hard earned savings!
      So guys, read “Missed Fortune 101″ and open up your eyes. IRA’s have a back end trap that everyone should know about.

    bawldguy on March 10th, 2007 at 9:56 am said:

    • Actually, Cher has recommended a pretty good book. It has solid info on this subject, and retirement in general.

      It’s only weekness is it’s strict avoidance of real estate. This is no doubt due to Andrews not being able to make money when his clients want to really grow.

      With that one caveat, I too recommend this book.

      Thanks Cher.

    Cher on March 10th, 2007 at 10:55 pm said:

    • Good point, Jeff. some of the book is not relevant to R.E. investors and to people who do not have ordinary income.
      But his chapter about equity…”equity has no return” is a good explanation why you do NOT want to have high equity.
      Andrew life insurance is good as another basket, not THE basket, which should be R.E for growth.
      Trouble with life insurance is it has a front end hit and it doesn’t use leverage.

    bawldguy on March 10th, 2007 at 11:52 pm said:

    • Cher - Since the investment grade does exactly what it’s designed to do, leverage isn’t an issue either way.

    Spencer Hill on March 13th, 2007 at 10:16 pm said:

    • I disagree with you on this point. Most 401ks have a matching component so the investor gets in most cases gets at least 50% instant profit.

      I have both a qualified plan and real estate( 22 units) ( self-employed I do not get a match) I would not want to go into retirement with just one. They compliment each other. I like the liquidity the qualified plan gives. I like the inflation protection the RE gives.

      I recomend a balance portfolio to my clients. RE consiting of real property, timberland, REITs, TICs, and CMOs should be between 20-50% of their portfolio. Commodities 10%, Stocks and bonds splitting the rest according to risk.

      Real estate is great, but it requires more hands on. I personally hate being a landlord. I like buying it,fixing it, and selling after a few years ( not flipping). Managing it is a pain in the ass and most people do not have the patience to do it and do not want to pay 10% for an outside manager.

      Keep up your good work, you are just wrong on this one.

    bawldguy on March 14th, 2007 at 8:58 am said:

    • Spencer - Thanks for your comment.

      >I disagree with you on this point. Most 401ks have a matching component so the investor gets in most cases gets at least 50% instant profit.

      In most cases that indeed would be a possible exception, though in my experience most do not enjoy that extra hit. Also, most of my clients have complained their 401’s haven’t even kept up with the S & P’s annual return.

      That said, there are reasons you still would strongly consider using my way. (This would be besides the fact that it’s outproduced qualified plans since they were created in the early ’70’s.)

      The gov’t requires the taxpayer to take out principal along with yield. This is silly if the account has enough to support the retiree without cannibalizing his life savings. Since my way will, over the long haul earn more of an annual return as demonstrated by history, the end sum accumulated will often be equal or more than even the matched 401.

      Then there’s the most important fact: Using my way, the gross annual yield equals the after tax income because it’s totally tax free by definition.

      Also, and you failed to mention this small fact, your qualified plan is part of their estate and will be taxed as such upon their death. Mine isn’t part of their estate and passes to their heirs absolutely tax free. It also has the option of borrowing from it without any penalty whatsoever for failing to pay it back. Also not true of 401’s.

      Please tell me these factors don’t trump the use of a 401(k).

      1. No penalty OR tax for cash withdrawals and no limit on how much you take out.

      2. Not taxed upon death. Your heirs get the entire principal amount tax free.

      3. All income is tax free for LIFE. No danger of running out of money because the gov’t required you to systematically take principal out.

      4. Death benefit in the 7-8 figure amount if you so choose.

      401’s just don’t measure up Spencer. It’s a sucker bet for most. The only exception I’ve seen is when the employer matches the employee’s contribution dollar for dollar, not 50%. I don’t see that happening.

      The fact you like real estate sets you apart from 99% of your brethren. I have most of my clients grow their after tax income with real estate FIRST, then take some of their millions and buy some additional TAX FREE INCOME FOR LIFE.

      When compared to what they would have had with their 401, it gives them chills just thinking about it.

      Thanks again for your comment.

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